Turnaround? Is Messenger Plus! back on track?
Posted by absorbation on Sun 21 Feb 2010 (22:20 GMT) (7302 views)
It has been a tough month for the Messenger Plus! community, with news the software has a new distributor and that its developer Patchou now only maintains a limited role. After weeks of unanswered emails and issues about poor relationships with the new developer Yuna Software, there appears to have been a crucial turning point that may mean our these worries are not valid.


"Back to the roots ... for a fresh start"

This was the title of a post Patchou made to his community on Thursday, where he addressed the concerns of its members who feel that the software has taken a turn in the wrong direction. Patchou has since attempted to reassure his users and had some good news to tell:

I'm back in charge of things. That means you can ask me questions, like you did before (and I'll take too much time to answer some of them, as I did before ). That also means that software development is back on track, with proper releases, documented changes in the change log.



Although Yuna Software is still present and the current distributor of Messenger Plus! Live, its overseeing powers have been reduced. Patchou is sovereign again, which is a great thing. Add to this that there with be several new developers working on Plus! may mean more features and a smaller timeframe between releases.

Patchou has changed his avatar of the forums to one he used when developing Messenger Plus! 3 as a reflection on returning to his roots.


Willz leaves skinning

Following from our post on the decline of Messenger skinning, Willz has told the Messenger Plus! community that he intends to leave skinning due to time constraints and creative differences between Yuna Software. Although he did suggest if improvements were made, he would return again. Nevertheless it is still a blow for skinning as there will no doubtedly be less activity from someone who has done much to keep the skinning community alive in recent years.

Read Patchou's full announcement


Is Messenger skinning in decline?
Posted by absorbation on Sat 06 Feb 2010 (17:06 GMT) (15990 views)
The days of MSN Messenger painted a vibrant community of designers who were keen to hack into the program's resources and create some polished, unique and excellent skins. When I joined the community back in February 2005 there was an vast array of high quality and imaginative skin designs to choose from, but today with Windows Live Messenger 2009, the community seems to have become stagnant.

Wait a minute, but surely skinning now has more depth and a smaller learning curve thanks to Messenger Plus! Live? While this is true the issue today is the end a thriving community to extrapolate anything from the available modern resources.


Looking back to MSN Messenger 7.5

For me MSN Messenger was the golden era of skin development. Granted there were significantly fewer releases, it is difficult to argue the quality of most end products were nothing short of spectacular. One could argue MSN Messenger was unattractive and users wanted something different, encouraging skinners? I disagree, looking at designs of the past there was just a different caliber of designer.



Pictured above: A small selection of excellent MSN Messenger skins


Back then skinning was more complicated. All resources were individually modified, there were custom installers created and many tutorials were constructed on editing individual build's UIFiles. The talent out there was uncanny. Names such as Terill, the unknown, ipab, Stian, Matti and Rolando may not ring any bells for some, but these individuals were the core of the community. I apologise if I left anyone from that list, including Willz (but your relevance lasts until today).


The issues with Windows Live Messenger

Perhaps the turning point was when the first builds of Windows Live Messenger leaked. The new UI system of .rle files meant skinning images became impossible. For months there were several solutions being developed to allow images to be successfully edited again. In this time many skinners, including myself moved onto other projects. The prospect of designing skins seemed too much effort. Many of the skinners listed above never created anything for Windows Live Messenger. The dedicated forums to Messenger skinning went down.


With Windows Live Messenger came a significant hurdle for skin developers


There is a further argument that with Windows Live Messenger's new UI, the program became attractive enough not to encourage users to seek skins. I no long use skins as I'm perfectly satisfied with the current default design. I however, expect fall into the minority of users.


Are skins still popular?

Messenger Plus! Live has done much to revive the skinning community, allowing a new generation of designers to take the baton before it was dropped. Nevertheless its forums have become rather lifeless in recent months and skins for Windows Live Messenger 2009 have been few and far between. The Messenger Plus! Community has been commenting on the situation:

Most skinners, specially the good ones like Willz, are extremely busy with their personal lifes. And, unfortunately, there aren't that many people interested in making skins, only in requesting/using them.


The decline of IM in itself fails to attract new developers, and although the skinning platform is now more open, there is a lack of talent willing to exploit it. Windows Live Messenger 2009 has been the worse major Messenger build in terms of skinning developers and much of this boils down to the lack of designers who know what they are doing (excluding Willz).



Willz, a monopoly developer of the current skins has stated:

It happened with the transition to MSN Messenger to Windows Live Messenger. There were at least 7 people making skins at that time and then all of a sudden they all disappeared leaving about 3.

Its the same thing now, it's just up to someone new to come in a keep things going. Really a person can only skin for so long before their personal lives become more involved and it becomes time to move on.

Ultimately its up to the new people to carry things onto 2010.



MenthiX, moderator of the Messenger Plus! Skins database commented:

Looking at the raw stats it doesn't look so bad. Still millions of people using Plus!, number of active users fairly steady, certainly when you take into account the long time since the last major Plus! release (which always gives a nice boost). People are still downloading skins.




Messenger Plus! Live has created more resources for skinners, including shaping of windows


To conclude

Currently Messenger skinning is in decline. There are fewer developers and many (not all) of the ones present lack the eye for good UI design. The once glory days of the MSN Messenger era appear to be over, but hopefully with Windows Live Messenger 2010 and a more open skinning platform there will be some talented individuals attracted to the application. Thus in answer to the original question, no skinning is not dead and skins are still popular, however the current health of the community has left current developments on the whole rather motionless.


Interview with leading Messenger skinner, Will Ingles
Posted by absorbation on Sun 26 Apr 2009 (23:10 GMT) (1132 views)
If you know anything about skinning, you must of heard of Will Ingles, who has been the most active skinner using the engine of Messenger Plus! Live. He has created some of the most unique and popular skins for Windows Live Messenger, and I can even remember him when he was skinning MSN Messenger 7. Passion, time and polish goes into each skin he creates and thus his work is usually set as a benchmark for any skin you see in Messenger today. Mynetx managed to get an interview with Will to learn more about his work:

mynetx: Skins - good word. Is cus­tomiz­ing the Mes­sen­ger in­ter­face fun for you? Or a se­ri­ous busi­ness? Or in be­tween?

Will: Well a bit of both re­al­ly. Orig­i­nal­ly I start­ed skin­ning as a hobby so that I could help im­prove my abil­i­ties as a mul­ti­me­dia de­sign­er. I was hop­ing that by work­ing with an es­tab­lished user in­ter­face I would be able to gain a deep­er un­der­stand­ing as to how the user in­ter­prets UI’s.

I never re­al­ly ex­pect­ed to be doing it for that much main­ly be­cause I didn’t think that au­di­ence was big enough at the time. But it seems that has changed in re­cent times so now I do treat it more se­ri­ous­ly.

But yeah for the most part there is still the orig­i­nal sense of fun which at­tract­ed me to doing it in the first place.



View the rest of the interview at Mynetx's blog


Poll: Do you customise Windows Live Messenger using skins?
Posted by absorbation on Wed 11 Feb 2009 (17:21 GMT) (1049 views)
This month's poll is concerned about skinning Messenger and its popularity. Skinning has changed a lot since the release of Windows Live Messenger, and greatly aided by Messenger Plus! Live. However, I've always had the feeling people are less inclined to use skins, with Windows Live Messenger's new and more simple default design, having being significantly preferred to MSN Messenger's interface.

Do you customise Windows Live Messenger using skins?


Jan 2009 poll results

Last month's poll was concerned about the impact of social networking on the popularity of instant messaging. Below are the results:



Skinning Wave 3: What's the future for skinning Messenger?
Posted by absorbation on Tue 14 Oct 2008 (20:01 GMT) (1043 views)
Some of you may of noticed a delay before the mainstream patches were released for the new public beta of Windows Live Messenger 9 Wave 3. This was because the method of changing Messenger's resources had dramatically changed, just like it did with the first betas of 8.0. Skinning enthusiast Willz has pieced together the picture:

For the past few weeks I have been playing around with 9 seeing what has changed and how far we can push things. I have to say that although there are a lot of changes and nearly double the amount of layout files to modify, overall 9 is going to bring some really interesting things to the table. One of the things I am looking forward to playing with is with some of the new effects that Messenger 9 brings such as fades, text glows and other types of animation.


I should also point out that I am only able to modify 9 because of a small workaround that was discovered that allows us to force Messenger to use its old layout files over the new ones. This allows skins, Messenger addons and patches to do their thing on 9 once again. Most people are counting this as a victory saying that stuff is possible again on 9, but really all this was was something to buy us some time. The old layout files have a really high chance of not existing in the final version of 9 so we will be back to square one.


The main problem about 9 still exists and in order for things to survive in the final version of 9 the new layout file format of Messenger 9 has to be figured out properly or we will be stuck with not being able to modify Messenger again. This new layout file isn't standard XML and style information that we can easily edit with any text editor, instead it is some weird file type that can't be read or edited properly without cracking it.


This is one the reasons for the delay of the Messenger Plus! Live public beta (although the feature is working fully for testers), and why patches took so long to be released this time. Willz has also been showing off some new skins, and overall it looks like there is some great new stuff available in Wave 3, despite the workarounds required to achieve them.

Design evolved: Whats happening?
Design evolved: Windows Live Messenger 9 - The Gift and the Curse


Messenger Plus! Live skinning contest: winners announced
Posted by absorbation on Sun 28 Sep 2008 (13:48 GMT) (1475 views)
Over the past couple of months Patchou has hosted a contest in an attempt to draw in more skins based on the new Messenger Plus! Live skinning engine. 41 skins were entered altogether, and the winners have now been announced:

Deformity Category
- 1st Place: Crystal Lab by ZOiD winner of a Cintiq 12WX.
- 2nd Place: SilverGlazz by LuckyMe winner of an Intuos3 6*8.

Originality Category
- 1st Place: Stormless Messenger by mynetx winner of a Cintiq 12WX.
- 2nd Place: Beaver and Steve by aNILEator winner of an Intuos3 6*8.

Functionality Category
- 1st Place: Wii Messenger by Ethan Li winner of a Cintiq 12WX.
- 2nd Place: Windows Live Messenger 2009 by roflmao456 winner of an Intuos3 6*8.

- Top Place: Oil Slick by Volv who wins the Cintiq 20WSX!



Congratulations to all the winners. It's a shame I didn't have the time to enter myself, I was hoping to update Feel Blue Skin, but hey, I have exams to worry about. All there is left to do now is wonder what the next competition will be ...

Interesting fact: 5 of the 7 winning skins have been featured or reviewed on Messenger Stuff in the past.

View the announcement at the Messenger Plus! Live blog



Messenger Plus! Live skinning contest now over
Posted by absorbation on Thu 18 Sep 2008 (22:30 GMT) (1122 views)
Remember the Messenger Plus! Live skinning contest which started last August? Well it's now over with a whopping 41 skins entered, bringing the official skins database past the 100 milestone:

I am happy to say that the official skin database has now more than a hundred different skins for all of you to enjoy. More about that will be said when the winners are announced, on the 26th of September.

On a side note, I'd like to apologize for the problems you may have experienced with the Emotion Sounds feature of Messenger Plus! lately. Microsoft is not the only company who has suffered from server issues in the past few weeks (I wish I could spend time buying a new pair of shoes too). We're currently in the process of putting everything back together, you can expect service to be back to normal by tomorrow. Thank you for your patience and your understanding.



There have been some great skins in the past few months, and Messenger Plus! Live has reunited the skinning community once again. When Patchou has judged the winners, they will be announced here.

View the official announcement



Wave 3: The end of skinning messenger?
Posted by RebelSean on Thu 18 Sep 2008 (15:11 GMT) (8409 views)
So Windows Live Wave 3 public beta has now been released worldwide. While some personally love the new interface and some despise it, a new problem has arisen that could possibly end all future development of skins that are made possible by Messenger Plus! Live. Skinners around the world are outraged because they've spent the last few months perfecting their skins and gearing up for the release of Wave 3.

If you're not a developer, then you're probably wondering why there is a huge hype about this? Here's a short explanation by master skinner willz as to why skinning may come to an end in the near future:

Basically instead of using Messengers own resources like always, the new Aero frame that Messenger uses relies on Windows Vista's own theme which means skinners can no longer edit this part of Messenger under Windows Vista unless Aero is disabled at all times. So what does that mean exactly? It means that you will not be able to have a truly complete Messenger skin under vista whilst Aero is enabled. There are a few other things that 9 brings that also kill a few skinning techniques that people use at the moment. One of the new things the 9 brings to the table is the fact that resources are now 90% MSNRLE, which means there will be a lot of resources that will not be able to be replaced without being able to replicate the layers that MSNRLE images use. One of these is the emoticons, normally skinners edit one png image, but with the new beta they are now an MSNRLE image which means they are impossible to replace because there is no emoticon code anywhere and in order to replace a MSNRLE with a png you must have access to its code. The only solution is to somehow replicate the layered MSNRLE (which isn't possible at the moment).



Not only is this affecting skinners, Ahmad (developer of A-Patch) is also currently unable to release an update due to the new resources in the Wave 3 version. We'll update you as soon as we can with more information regarding the new resources in Messenger.

Read willz's full post at Design Evolved



Ask the readers: What does your Messenger look like?
Posted by absorbation on Sat 30 Aug 2008 (18:19 GMT) (1278 views)
MSN/ Windows Live Messenger has always been one of Microsoft's most customisable products, and one that people have attempted to dissect or hack to pieces. Its rich API has generated some great add-ons over the years, and it's XML coded interface has meant skins have been possible and highly detailed (even if Microsoft have tried to cut it down in the past). So we want to round up a load of screenshots of what your Messenger looks like, from the skins you use, to the features you add in or patch out.

To submit your screenshots we ask you to show both your main Messenger contact list and a conversation window. Below are a few guidelines to help you know what we are looking for:

  1. A good quality screenshot where possible. Export in a high resolution, preferably a PNG 32, where we can cut down the filesize before uploading it to the website. For those of you who just have paint, use the default Bitmap image. A high quality image isn't necessary, but it is preferred.
  2. Edit out any personal information of you or your contacts, such as email addresses or phone numbers. We can always do this for you, but it would save us some time.
  3. Try and tell us what skin, add-on, patch and Messenger build you are using (if applicable).
  4. That you are willing to have a screenshot of your Messenger posted on the website.

To submit an image/ or set of images email admin@msgstuff.com and start your subject title with "My Messenger:". We hope to show the results as soon as we get a decent amount of screenshots. So are you going to contribute? All approved images will be shown in a gallery on this website, with a link to it on the main menu. Below is what some of our admins (me included) have already submitted:



Messenger Plus! Live 4.7 released, skinning contest launched
Posted by absorbation on Sun 10 Aug 2008 (18:10 GMT) (4309 views)
As discussed last week, Patchou has updated his popular Messenger add-on, Messenger Plus! Live. The update carries the new major build number of 4.70, and adds the ability to automatically update your skins and scripts from within the program.

The big news really then is the skinning content. Since we announced Messenger Plus! Live would contain skinning capabilities, those with little or no skinning knowledge attempted to create unique and stylish skins for Windows Live Messenger. However, less than a 100 skins have currently been made, and, as a tactic to get more skins created, Patchou has launched a contest where you can win some exciting (and expensive) prizes:

Starting today, you have 5 weeks to create the most outstanding skin imaginable. The deadline is September 14th at 23:59:59, Greenwich Mean Time. To participate, all you need to do is submit a skin to the official database (the contest is open worldwide), updates of existing skins are accepted. All the skins will be tested in the current most popular version of Messenger, Windows Live Messenger 8.5 (no need to make them work in the outdated Messenger 9 Beta from last winter).



For those of you who have never skinned before I suggest giving it a try. Messenger Plus! makes the whole process very simple, and the amount of tools and resources built up over the past few months will make your skinning experience even easier. All I suggest to you is to have a good imagination and an eye for a polished look, but it really isn't hard to beat Windows Live Messenger's current design (hint to Microsoft there). For those of you who actually are up for this, you can create a good and detailed skin in less than two weeks. Here are the prizes up for offer:

Not 1 but 7 Wacom Tablets will be distributed to the winners of this contest. Your skin(s) will be judged and placed into three different categories: originality (something never done before), deformity (shaped windows), and functionality (improved user interface). The first prize for each category is an excellent Cintiq 12WX (check out the video on their site), a 12.1" TFT screen that acts like a second monitor for your computer and lets you draw directly on the pictures you want to edit with incredible precision. The second prize for each category is a very respectable Intuos3 6*8 with 1,024 pressure levels and professional software such as Adobe Photoshop Elements. And finally, the creator of the one best skin, all categories considered, will get rewarded for his efforts with a magnificent Cintiq 20WXS. This dream-come-true for any graphic designer features a 20.1" wide screen with a resolution of 1680*1050, has 14 customizable hard keys, 2 touch strips, a special rotating stand so that you can use the tablet like a big sheet of paper, anti-glare and friction coating to simulate the texture of paper and a wide viewing angle.



So will you be up for it? I won't be, despite that I once did some skinning back when MSN Messenger 7 was the new thing and everything was complicated and long-winded. I was 14 then so there is no reason why any of you, no matter what age, can do this now. If any readers here have decided to start skinning or have completed a skin, keep in contact with us and we may help to promote your skin once it's released.

Download Messenger Plus! Live 4.7
View the announcement at the Messenger Plus! Live forums